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		<title>By: bluegreenblogger</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 17:57:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Back of envelope: $2mm spending costs $1mm. Every vote yields $2 per annum. Expect average minority gvt tenure of 18 months, the the GPC would need to win an extra 350,000 votes with that extra spending to financially justify. ( There&#039;s more to it than that, but the Party has to be fiscally responsable, so the pure money discussion is not optional). It sounds do-able to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back of envelope: $2mm spending costs $1mm. Every vote yields $2 per annum. Expect average minority gvt tenure of 18 months, the the GPC would need to win an extra 350,000 votes with that extra spending to financially justify. ( There&#8217;s more to it than that, but the Party has to be fiscally responsable, so the pure money discussion is not optional). It sounds do-able to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Summers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken Summers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 02:01:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually it was $1.8m for advertising, and $1m on the rest.

Mind you, all that advertising would have to be dropped to run a no debt central campaign. [Taking account of the rebate effect: $2m less spending to not have the $1m debt that was accrued last time.]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually it was $1.8m for advertising, and $1m on the rest.</p>
<p>Mind you, all that advertising would have to be dropped to run a no debt central campaign. [Taking account of the rebate effect: $2m less spending to not have the $1m debt that was accrued last time.]</p>
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		<title>By: bluegreenblogger</title>
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		<dc:creator>bluegreenblogger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 01:41:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are there any Americans who would speak out against Apple Pie? It would not be much of a winning strategy. Whatever people might know, or think they know about Party operations in Ottawa, they surely all know a lot more about their local campaigns. There are very few places in Canada where the GPC campaign is as visible as the CPC or Liberals. To actually argue against strengthening the local Campaigns would be akin to a death wish.
The way to do it would be to argue in favour of highlighting the central campaign.
Actually, that makes me think through some interesting implications of Elizabeth&#039;s new-found dedication to winning a seat. If she is to be Campaigning on site to win a seat, then the National Campaign won&#039;t be needing as much money. 
I just went to the EC site, and the GPC spent $1.579 mm on advertising. The other $1.2 was on professional services, travel, other advertising, Salaries, and office. Looks like half of the budget, (advertising) is totally discretionary. Hmmm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are there any Americans who would speak out against Apple Pie? It would not be much of a winning strategy. Whatever people might know, or think they know about Party operations in Ottawa, they surely all know a lot more about their local campaigns. There are very few places in Canada where the GPC campaign is as visible as the CPC or Liberals. To actually argue against strengthening the local Campaigns would be akin to a death wish.<br />
The way to do it would be to argue in favour of highlighting the central campaign.<br />
Actually, that makes me think through some interesting implications of Elizabeth&#8217;s new-found dedication to winning a seat. If she is to be Campaigning on site to win a seat, then the National Campaign won&#8217;t be needing as much money.<br />
I just went to the EC site, and the GPC spent $1.579 mm on advertising. The other $1.2 was on professional services, travel, other advertising, Salaries, and office. Looks like half of the budget, (advertising) is totally discretionary. Hmmm</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Summers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken Summers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 00:00:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are there any candidates who would publicly argue against greater support for the ground campaigns?

Or who would say, publicly, that they think the priority must be the central campaign [and May&#039;s campaign]?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are there any candidates who would publicly argue against greater support for the ground campaigns?</p>
<p>Or who would say, publicly, that they think the priority must be the central campaign [and May's campaign]?</p>
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		<title>By: bluegreenblogger</title>
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		<dc:creator>bluegreenblogger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 21:39:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Steve,
yes, I&#039;ve noticed the same thing. I guess that we&#039;ll see natural selection at work shortly. Those who run the most effective campaigns will get elected, (hopefully). Don&#039;t forget that the blogs, and active campaigning won&#039;t reach very much of the membership, so this race isn&#039;t neccesarily going to be won by the best camapigners.
 I only wish that telephone canvas of the membership were possible. It would be nice if the membership were to be contacted for some reason other than fundraising asks, and even peripheral involvement in the party would be better than most members ever experience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Steve,<br />
yes, I&#8217;ve noticed the same thing. I guess that we&#8217;ll see natural selection at work shortly. Those who run the most effective campaigns will get elected, (hopefully). Don&#8217;t forget that the blogs, and active campaigning won&#8217;t reach very much of the membership, so this race isn&#8217;t neccesarily going to be won by the best camapigners.<br />
 I only wish that telephone canvas of the membership were possible. It would be nice if the membership were to be contacted for some reason other than fundraising asks, and even peripheral involvement in the party would be better than most members ever experience.</p>
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		<title>By: "Sudbury" Steve May</title>
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		<dc:creator>"Sudbury" Steve May</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 21:09:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a quick observation: the supporters of &quot;Ground War&quot; candidates seem to be out in full force, and are doing a pretty good job of getting their messages out through the internet.  I&#039;m perplexed by the lack of webpresence of the &quot;Air War&quot; candidates.  Has anyone else noticed that these candidates appear to be laregely Missing In Action?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a quick observation: the supporters of &#8220;Ground War&#8221; candidates seem to be out in full force, and are doing a pretty good job of getting their messages out through the internet.  I&#8217;m perplexed by the lack of webpresence of the &#8220;Air War&#8221; candidates.  Has anyone else noticed that these candidates appear to be laregely Missing In Action?</p>
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		<title>By: bluegreenblogger</title>
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		<dc:creator>bluegreenblogger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:36:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Well BGB, we can say that we’re pretty consistent about this business of how quickly a party can ramp up fundraising, whether we are talking about the Liberals or the GPC.&quot;
I think that the processes of fundraising are easy to &#039;ramp up&#039;. The constraints are elsewhere. For the Lib&#039;s, it&#039;s not much different than the GPC. It&#039;s about internal politics, and the local/central tussle for resources. I think that the Liberals are going after the very easily plucked low hanging fruit. It will take some money to prime the pump for small donor programs, so they&#039;re filling the coffers, then graduating to direct mail, etc. That&#039;s a guess only, but predicated on what kind of roll out I would expect for a sustainable fundraising program.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Well BGB, we can say that we’re pretty consistent about this business of how quickly a party can ramp up fundraising, whether we are talking about the Liberals or the GPC.&#8221;<br />
I think that the processes of fundraising are easy to &#8216;ramp up&#8217;. The constraints are elsewhere. For the Lib&#8217;s, it&#8217;s not much different than the GPC. It&#8217;s about internal politics, and the local/central tussle for resources. I think that the Liberals are going after the very easily plucked low hanging fruit. It will take some money to prime the pump for small donor programs, so they&#8217;re filling the coffers, then graduating to direct mail, etc. That&#8217;s a guess only, but predicated on what kind of roll out I would expect for a sustainable fundraising program.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Summers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken Summers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 19:25:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well BGB, we can say that we&#039;re pretty consistent about this business of how quickly a party can ramp up fundraising, whether we are talking about the Liberals or the GPC.

But its been several months since we had the discussion about the LPC- and as much as they have invested in it, to date there has been no change in their smaller donation capability, and I&#039;d say the indications are they are at least still many months away.

They have improved their event based Iggy talking large donor scooping- enough that they are back up to breakeven. But they say themselves that the hanges they require are in the smaller donation capability.

You may be right about whether the current leadership will even have the option of adding to the long term debt. I wouldn&#039;t be so sure it requires Jack Harris&#039;s touch... but this is a cae of where it may be shoe on the other foot: me underestimating how difficult it is to keep expanding the number of people privately loaning tens to hundreds of thousands to the GPC. I would certainly agree that I don&#039;t expect the banks would be willing to ADD another million to GPC loans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well BGB, we can say that we&#8217;re pretty consistent about this business of how quickly a party can ramp up fundraising, whether we are talking about the Liberals or the GPC.</p>
<p>But its been several months since we had the discussion about the LPC- and as much as they have invested in it, to date there has been no change in their smaller donation capability, and I&#8217;d say the indications are they are at least still many months away.</p>
<p>They have improved their event based Iggy talking large donor scooping- enough that they are back up to breakeven. But they say themselves that the hanges they require are in the smaller donation capability.</p>
<p>You may be right about whether the current leadership will even have the option of adding to the long term debt. I wouldn&#8217;t be so sure it requires Jack Harris&#8217;s touch&#8230; but this is a cae of where it may be shoe on the other foot: me underestimating how difficult it is to keep expanding the number of people privately loaning tens to hundreds of thousands to the GPC. I would certainly agree that I don&#8217;t expect the banks would be willing to ADD another million to GPC loans.</p>
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		<title>By: bluegreenblogger</title>
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		<dc:creator>bluegreenblogger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 18:56:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a ton of experience in sales and marketing. I am far from unique though, so I&#039;m sure that the skills are everywhere you look in the Party. Ramping up fundraising would take a professional like me about two weeks. Maybe an extra week or so if I was constrained by politically motivated hiring practices. The kind of routine fundraising done by Keys marketing, the company that fundraises for the GPC is about as difficult as falling off a bike.
It might take a little longer to establish best practices, and positive returns on direct mail, targetted telephone work, fundraising events etc., but the potential is obvious to anybody who ever had to reach out to relieve people of their cash professionally. That&#039;s just scratching the surface of what could be done with affinity programs, co-marketing, and some other really out of the box things I can think of. It could happen very quickly that the GPC dramatically improved their fundraising capacity.

That&#039;s not neccesarily in the cards, but it could happen at any time. Ditto for the Liberals, and Dippers.

As far as oversight, council will be asking questions, and there is debate about spending, borrowing, and campaign budgets.  If the money isn&#039;t there, then I cannot imagine big loans being available to the next Federal Campaign, because Banks will limit their exposure, and Jim Harris will not be producing his magic rolodex to go out and raise private loans as he did in the 2008 elections. The current debt load is temporary, but fortunately it looks to me like it will difficult for the GPC to incurr any form of long term debt, so the next leadership will have a chance to start improvements pretty quickly. Even the current leadership might decide to hit the reset button when confronted with serious spending constraints. Why not? It&#039;s not that hard to read the statements and come to the obvious conclusions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a ton of experience in sales and marketing. I am far from unique though, so I&#8217;m sure that the skills are everywhere you look in the Party. Ramping up fundraising would take a professional like me about two weeks. Maybe an extra week or so if I was constrained by politically motivated hiring practices. The kind of routine fundraising done by Keys marketing, the company that fundraises for the GPC is about as difficult as falling off a bike.<br />
It might take a little longer to establish best practices, and positive returns on direct mail, targetted telephone work, fundraising events etc., but the potential is obvious to anybody who ever had to reach out to relieve people of their cash professionally. That&#8217;s just scratching the surface of what could be done with affinity programs, co-marketing, and some other really out of the box things I can think of. It could happen very quickly that the GPC dramatically improved their fundraising capacity.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not neccesarily in the cards, but it could happen at any time. Ditto for the Liberals, and Dippers.</p>
<p>As far as oversight, council will be asking questions, and there is debate about spending, borrowing, and campaign budgets.  If the money isn&#8217;t there, then I cannot imagine big loans being available to the next Federal Campaign, because Banks will limit their exposure, and Jim Harris will not be producing his magic rolodex to go out and raise private loans as he did in the 2008 elections. The current debt load is temporary, but fortunately it looks to me like it will difficult for the GPC to incurr any form of long term debt, so the next leadership will have a chance to start improvements pretty quickly. Even the current leadership might decide to hit the reset button when confronted with serious spending constraints. Why not? It&#8217;s not that hard to read the statements and come to the obvious conclusions.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Summers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken Summers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 14:49:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Again, I agree with your final point, AND that it is the most central.

But as to the question of how much financial strength there is or might be, and what internal pressures that puts into play....

The basic central expenses of the parties are remarkably stable over time when you consider how much the revenues and everything else changes so much and so quickly. The GPC is no exception, and from what we do know its unlikely that the May crew will have substantively decreased that this year. [Like me, you may have expected that it would have increased over 2008- which it has not... although the evidence would suggest that means at least some degree of shift away from spending on organizers in the field and more towards people working for and around the Leader.]

At any rate, the expense levels you see from 2007 and 2008 [not counting the election and pre-election] are pretty certainly still there.

I agree that &quot;Fundraising is partly a function of skill, and systems which could be dramatically improved over time.&quot; But I think you are pretty sanguine about how short that time can be, when we are talking about a diffuse national organization.

The Liberals are testimony to that. They have been putting a huge priority on ramping up smaller donations, since before Iggy was Leader and with more focus since. But for all their recent success in sucking up every large donation that can be found, capacity building in smaller donations is a systems thing, and thats slower in coming: zero results on that for the LPC yet.

Similarly, the NDP had a much more straightforward path to ramping up findraising 5 years ago: none of the complications the LPC has, a Leader with savvy and top notch new hires that the GPC does not have... and even with that, it was well over a year before you could measure improvements in dollars.

Given what is going on in Ottawa for the GPC, the chances of systematically improved fundraising over as short a term as we are talking here, seem just about zero.

If I were in your position I also would not worry about whether the inner sanctum has enough money to run a good central campaign and pour into the Leaders seat from now till there is an election. Since you don&#039;t have much confidence in their ability to spend effectively, why bother worrying about whether they have enough?

Problem is they have every incentive to spend regardless of the debt they saddle all of you you with. So if they added a million in debt last go around, and if it is true there is little chance the $1.3million debt will go down much or at all before there is an election.....

Bringing this back to Concil and the election at hand:

These are just the kind of questions you want Councillors to be asking, and to have some confidence who you vote for is willing and able to push for real answers.

First Quarter GPC fundraising was the same as the last couple years. In two weeks you&#039;ll have the Q2 results- expect those to be the same [at best].

Questions that follow from that are not rocket science- and you SHOULD be able to count on a healthy collective process that gets them asked. [IE, no one person needs to know now exactly what questions they would ask.]  But if you don&#039;t get enough Councillors willing and able to have a productive discussion, no one will ever have any idea- as is the case now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again, I agree with your final point, AND that it is the most central.</p>
<p>But as to the question of how much financial strength there is or might be, and what internal pressures that puts into play&#8230;.</p>
<p>The basic central expenses of the parties are remarkably stable over time when you consider how much the revenues and everything else changes so much and so quickly. The GPC is no exception, and from what we do know its unlikely that the May crew will have substantively decreased that this year. [Like me, you may have expected that it would have increased over 2008- which it has not... although the evidence would suggest that means at least some degree of shift away from spending on organizers in the field and more towards people working for and around the Leader.]</p>
<p>At any rate, the expense levels you see from 2007 and 2008 [not counting the election and pre-election] are pretty certainly still there.</p>
<p>I agree that &#8220;Fundraising is partly a function of skill, and systems which could be dramatically improved over time.&#8221; But I think you are pretty sanguine about how short that time can be, when we are talking about a diffuse national organization.</p>
<p>The Liberals are testimony to that. They have been putting a huge priority on ramping up smaller donations, since before Iggy was Leader and with more focus since. But for all their recent success in sucking up every large donation that can be found, capacity building in smaller donations is a systems thing, and thats slower in coming: zero results on that for the LPC yet.</p>
<p>Similarly, the NDP had a much more straightforward path to ramping up findraising 5 years ago: none of the complications the LPC has, a Leader with savvy and top notch new hires that the GPC does not have&#8230; and even with that, it was well over a year before you could measure improvements in dollars.</p>
<p>Given what is going on in Ottawa for the GPC, the chances of systematically improved fundraising over as short a term as we are talking here, seem just about zero.</p>
<p>If I were in your position I also would not worry about whether the inner sanctum has enough money to run a good central campaign and pour into the Leaders seat from now till there is an election. Since you don&#8217;t have much confidence in their ability to spend effectively, why bother worrying about whether they have enough?</p>
<p>Problem is they have every incentive to spend regardless of the debt they saddle all of you you with. So if they added a million in debt last go around, and if it is true there is little chance the $1.3million debt will go down much or at all before there is an election&#8230;..</p>
<p>Bringing this back to Concil and the election at hand:</p>
<p>These are just the kind of questions you want Councillors to be asking, and to have some confidence who you vote for is willing and able to push for real answers.</p>
<p>First Quarter GPC fundraising was the same as the last couple years. In two weeks you&#8217;ll have the Q2 results- expect those to be the same [at best].</p>
<p>Questions that follow from that are not rocket science- and you SHOULD be able to count on a healthy collective process that gets them asked. [IE, no one person needs to know now exactly what questions they would ask.]  But if you don&#8217;t get enough Councillors willing and able to have a productive discussion, no one will ever have any idea- as is the case now.</p>
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